
We've lived life here — that's for sure. But what happens when we die? It's a tough question, but we really ought to give it some thought. Deathly graphic by ScooterDMan.
If you've really lived on the Internet — in other words, if a good deal of your formative social interactions have been experienced online — then one day you will inevitably "die" on the Internet. As it stands now, it seems that it would be way too easy for friends to "disappear" without a trace, never to be heard from again. This would not be acceptable in "real life," so why here?
This is morbid, but I've been thinking about it a lot, and I turn to you for guidance.
While we may not like to acknowledge it, we who live on Newsvine will also die on Newsvine, and I think we ought to make a concerted effort sooner rather than later to address this. There will undoubtedly come a day when someone here whose stories we look forward to on a regular basis mysteriously stops posting with no prior warning.
How do we account for that here or in any other web community in which we are an active member? Considering the ways in which I exist as a social being in various communities on the web (Newsvine being the most intimate for me), I'd imagine that social relationships online will only become stronger as we grow older, especially as newer technology continues to bridge the gap between real and virtual. The friendships here are real and meaningful, which means loss here would have the potential to be painful and devastating.
Means of coping with the deaths of members have emerged from other social communities. Over at Facebook.com, members are often memorialized through the "wall" feature on that site:
When KU senior Nicole Bingham of Wichita died Oct. 7 in the fire at the Boardwalk Apartments, friends across the country immediately started writing on her "wall," the place on students' Facebook profile pages where users can post comments. Within days, the page turned into a living memorial for her. (source)
The web site MyDeathSpace.com generated a good deal of criticism in 2006 when it began linking deceased member's profile pages with their actual obituaries. The site often makes light of the MySpace deaths and in no way should serve as an example, but I think we ought to consider how we should handle this issue. To ignore it would be a mistake.
Our community is still young. Let's take the steps today — as morbid and depressing as they may be — to ensure that as we grow old here and eventually pass on, we have a method for recognizing the lives that were lived out on The Vine. Given the fact that many of us post to our respective communities without other "real" friends or families members knowing it, we need to devise a solution that will account for this possibility.
What are your thoughts? How can we devise a system for Newsvine that will ensure that when we lose a member, he or she is properly mourned? Let's put our organizational skills to use — if we can develop a system for orchestrating a worldwide online drinking contest, surely we can tackle this issue constructively.
Seeing the headline I suspected this would be a silly post.
But actually as social life is moving into cyberspace dealing with death is in jeopardy. Everyone should experience loved ones dying - the opposite would be sick. Life has moved from flesh to screens. Westerners are desentisized while right outside our castle walls people live in filth. 300.000 Iraqi infants have died unnecessarily and Newsvine casually argue who else is to blame.
Guess I got carried away there but good idea, do something.
I owe this idea more thought before I respond in full.
Thanks, SDM.
You were instrumental in saving me -- just with a couple of words in an email and sending rwarner my way. I think this is really an important idea.
Thanks, Samantha.
To be honest, you were the person I thought of first when I read this email. Thanksful we didnt ahve to employ any of these ideas in your case.
Thanks for the comment either way.
Live and love, for once the living is gone, the love goes on!
You're welcome my super NV friend!
Scooter...I think this is a valid concern but I don't have an answer. I think it's important to honor relationships, cyber or not...and we're not all so good at it. I'm still trying to understand what a cyber relationship is and what it means. So many people, known and not known, are touched by others in this realm. Hard to know what a friend is really. Clearer to feel community and connection. I'd certainly want to know when someone had moved on, whether through death or disinterest. I'd want to be able to say good bye. One idea is that each of us would make known to someone in our 'real life' that we would want, let's say, newsvine, to get one last post letting people know. Wow, kind of like writing our own obituary.
Let's put our organizational skills to use — if we can develop a system for orchestrating a worldwide online drinking contest, surely we can tackle this issue constructively.
Frankly, having been a fairly sober bystander of that event -- I'm surprised that we didn't have to deal with the death of a 'Viner the next morning. I'm sure several "felt" like death.
:)
Just as an FYI: An entire espisode of the TV show My Name is Earl was about this very topic.
One of the people on his list had no social life -- and Earl couldn't find anyone to attend his funeral. When they got to his house, the found thousands of messages upon logging in and realized that he had spent all his time socializing online. I believe they ended up having a virtual funeral, which ended up bringing everyone together in real life.
I love that show! I haven't seen that particular episode, however. I'll have to find it.
If I were to die there are many on line codes, sites, user names and passwords that someone will need to negotiate my estate. It behooves me to give a document to someone I trust to be aware of these things once I have died. All the info could be contained within a will or the will could give directions to obtaining such info. In this regard, I need to get off my butt and produce such a document and hand it to Vicki. As things stand now, she would have a hardship caused by my negligence in keeping all this info to myself.
Along with that document, it might behoove me, and others, to write our own obits and have them available so others can publish them at the appropriate time.
Old Fogey - great point - my wife and I had a similar conversation when we bought a house last year. We began documenting, organizing and backing up important hard and online documents - and ensuring that we knew what each other owned. I had an investment account with only online statements that would have never been touched if I died as she didn't know it existed.
if we can develop a system for orchestrating a worldwide online drinking contest, surely we can tackle this issue constructively.
funnily enough the Online Drinking Contest almost killed me. ;-)
I have only just arrived on the Vine. Literally. Thanks to Digg, who unceremoniously 'killed' my being on their site. So in some ways, I share the submitters sentiment. Let me think of something worthy of contribution. Good way to start a new life!
Welcome, Raat!
Yes, welcome Raat! Glad to have a new NV author to read!
There's been a few deaths over the years in another community I belong to, and we've yet to come up with a solution to how to keep track of people.
The most recent one was fairly tragic, as it was during our white elephant gift exchange, and the gift giver knew his WE guy was pretty depressed and upset with his life, so he put together a great package of stuff, only to come online asking if anyone had heard from him after the package sat on his doorstep for a week. Tragically, he had killed himself, and this guy never found out.
There's something very strange about the death of a friend you've never really met.
I do, especially in a community as active and dependent on its members as this one. I'm not sure how exactly I'd do it though. Maybe something simple like a secondary contact you could list in your profile? It could even be hidden from the general public so that only friends could see it, and use it to contact someone you know in real life (be it friend or family) to see what's up.
What a tragic story, Vincent. How did you ever find out?
One of the us lived fairly close to him, and if I remember correctly, he spotted something in the paper and looked into it.
Scooter, I too, have thought about this. I disappeared for a while because of extenuating personal matters and a few people here on NV had my real email. They were concerned after not hearing from me for a while. It really made me feel good that these people actually cared and certainly pulled me through an extremely tough time. I don't know what the solution is really, but maybe at least one or two of the person's closest friends should have contact info for each other. Does that make any sense?
Thanks Scooter. I know we don't always see eye to eye, but building relationships on NV and discussion is what it's all about.
I cycle a lot and track rides with my GPS and then post them to a great tracking and mapping site Motionbased.com. You can share and download routes of others.
A while back a popular cyclist who was killed in a traffic accident. His many friends posted touching eulogies, elsewhere. Motionbased left his rides up on their site, so sad.
How about an online celebration/wake, where people discuss favorite articles of the deceased
i keep an easy-to-find text document on the desktop of my home computer with usernames and passwords and a list of all my online memberships, as well as my emails. aside from some of the people who i know only through the internet, a lot of the contact information for my friends is stored online, and i wanted a way for my wifey and/or kids/parents to be able to cancel accounts, notify out-of-town friends, etc. also, this ensures that my writing, some of which is stored only online, is kept and archived by my family.
if i die, i've asked whoever reads the "letter" it to update most of my profiles with just some basic info that i'm pouncing thru the afterlife. no drama, just a simple note.
true. funnily enough, i actually did it - wrote the letter - a few years ago, during a particularly traumatic time when i was deeply in tune with my own mortality. it was actually a therapeutic process as well, to be honest.
there is probably a market out there for a web 2.0 application that stores your virtual identity to be unlocked by your loved ones by a valid death certificate. somebody should make that.
It's happened to me...one of my Usenet friends lived in France, and when I was scheduled to vacation there, I sent an email to see if we could f2f, although I hadn't seen him online for six months or so. His wife wrote back, saying that he had died suddenly. There wasn't much I could do except offer condolences.
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